Crime set to increase by 12 per cent in Darlington as people 'steal to live'

The Advertiser Series: PCC Ron Hogg PCC Ron Hogg

CRIME levels in Darlington are rising, the police commissioner has admitted, with an increase in the number of people stealing to live.

County Durham Police and Crime Commissioner (PCC) Ron Hogg said it was a concern that levels of reported crime in the town are expected to be 12 per cent higher than last year, but that Darlington is still one of the safest places to live.

Mr Hogg said: “The fact is that crime is going up, about 10 per cent across the country. We are working very hard in Darlington to keep crime under control.

“Partnership work is helping but crime is up in the town itself by about 12 per cent.

“However, reoffending rates are lower than average in the town. In terms of anti-social behaviour, the figures have evened out this year after a drop of 23 per cent last year.

“The kind of crime that we are seeing an increase in is mainly around shoplifting, the theft of bicycles and shed burglaries. What we are beginning to see, which is very concerning, is an increasing element of crime because people are struggling to make ends meet.

“We are putting in measures to tackle that – for an example, if there are mothers stealing food, rather than automatically charging them and putting them through the courts, we will sit down and assess their situation.

“We will give them an action plan and if they can stick to that for a certain period and make progress then they won’t be charged. If they can be helped then the chance of reoffending is lessened.”

In his first year of office Mr Hogg has visited Darlington on a weekly basis to get to know the town and promote partnership work between the police and other public services in the face of budget cuts.

Mr Hogg spends time with councillors and MP Jenny Chapman, as well as organisations such as Age UK, Darlington Association on Disability and the women’s refuge to get their opinions on events in the town.

Mr Hogg said: “It is fair to say that there was a concern previously with the police authority that Darlington was being ignored – since I’ve been elected I’ve done a lot to try and assuage those fears.”

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4:15pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Jackaranda says...

“We are putting in measures to tackle that – for an example, if there are mothers stealing food, rather than automatically charging them and putting them through the courts, we will sit down and assess their situation. . .
“We will give them an action plan and if they can stick to that for a certain period and make progress then they won’t be charged. If they can be helped then the chance of reoffending is lessened.”
“We are putting in measures to tackle that – for an example, if there are mothers stealing food, rather than automatically charging them and putting them through the courts, we will sit down and assess their situation. . . “We will give them an action plan and if they can stick to that for a certain period and make progress then they won’t be charged. If they can be helped then the chance of reoffending is lessened.” Jackaranda

4:19pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Jackaranda says...

“We are putting in measures to tackle that – for an example, if there are mothers stealing food, rather than automatically charging them and putting them through the courts, we will sit down and assess their situation.
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“We will give them an action plan and if they can stick to that for a certain period and make progress then they won’t be charged. If they can be helped then the chance of reoffending is lessened.”

So are you getting tough on crime, or are you getting tough on the causes of crime, or are you just being wetlipped do-gooders?
“We are putting in measures to tackle that – for an example, if there are mothers stealing food, rather than automatically charging them and putting them through the courts, we will sit down and assess their situation. . . “We will give them an action plan and if they can stick to that for a certain period and make progress then they won’t be charged. If they can be helped then the chance of reoffending is lessened.” So are you getting tough on crime, or are you getting tough on the causes of crime, or are you just being wetlipped do-gooders? Jackaranda

4:39pm Fri 27 Dec 13

darloboss says...

Mr Hogg spends time with councillors and MP Jenny Chapman, as well as organisations such as Age UK, Darlington Association on Disability

yep cos their all a bunch of hardened crims in age uk and dad ?
Mr Hogg spends time with councillors and MP Jenny Chapman, as well as organisations such as Age UK, Darlington Association on Disability yep cos their all a bunch of hardened crims in age uk and dad ? darloboss

6:24pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Homshaw1 says...

Shoplifters given advice but not charged, vandals let off with warnings leaving the victims to pick up the bill, drug users to be given drugs.

He accepts there is going to be a 12% increase in crime.

This guy is a waste of time
Shoplifters given advice but not charged, vandals let off with warnings leaving the victims to pick up the bill, drug users to be given drugs. He accepts there is going to be a 12% increase in crime. This guy is a waste of time Homshaw1

7:06pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Daza says...

Ron Hogg only wants to do the best for the people of Durham and Darlington. He is basically saying here, its cos of MASSIVE budget cuts

Too many people having a pop cos they hate the police on here.
Ron Hogg only wants to do the best for the people of Durham and Darlington. He is basically saying here, its cos of MASSIVE budget cuts Too many people having a pop cos they hate the police on here. Daza

7:35pm Fri 27 Dec 13

darloboss says...

sorry daza but is that a reason for an increase in crime or is that an excuse for an increase in crime ??
sorry daza but is that a reason for an increase in crime or is that an excuse for an increase in crime ?? darloboss

8:21pm Fri 27 Dec 13

sineater says...

Cut the police force at the same time as cutting benefits,prices going up,and people still surprised at crime going up dur-brains or what !!!
Cut the police force at the same time as cutting benefits,prices going up,and people still surprised at crime going up dur-brains or what !!! sineater

10:13pm Fri 27 Dec 13

thetruththewholetruthandnothingbutthetruth says...

Its always a certain kind of scum that commits these crimes. Stealing from peoples sheds, shoplifting etc. They all have a certain look about them. The kind of people who refuse to help themselves. They wont work but instead opt for a life of handouts and criminality. Interestingly, there is a large percentage of foreigners involved in these activities - a disproportionate percentage! Why are these people here?

And they wont ever get any sympathy from me.
Its always a certain kind of scum that commits these crimes. Stealing from peoples sheds, shoplifting etc. They all have a certain look about them. The kind of people who refuse to help themselves. They wont work but instead opt for a life of handouts and criminality. Interestingly, there is a large percentage of foreigners involved in these activities - a disproportionate percentage! Why are these people here? And they wont ever get any sympathy from me. thetruththewholetruthandnothingbutthetruth

11:55pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Just Sayin says...

There is an alternative option....graft
There is an alternative option....graft Just Sayin

12:36am Sat 28 Dec 13

darloboss says...

with you thetruththewholetrut
handnothingbutthetru
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with you thetruththewholetrut handnothingbutthetru th darloboss

9:21am Sat 28 Dec 13

Taxpaying Homeowner says...

I see the Labour campaign starting early, pushed on by the resale powers that be the Unions

For a police commissioner and paper to 'advertise' this latest excuse is an insult to all of the people (working and not working) that are genuinely scraping by but would never turn to crime. It's disgusting!!
I see the Labour campaign starting early, pushed on by the resale powers that be the Unions For a police commissioner and paper to 'advertise' this latest excuse is an insult to all of the people (working and not working) that are genuinely scraping by but would never turn to crime. It's disgusting!! Taxpaying Homeowner

8:45pm Sat 28 Dec 13

jane1.r says...

so crime is reduced in darlington by simply not charging them ,MAGIC eveyones a winner .I have seen you in action mr hogg /and you couldn't arrange a small get together in a brewery
so crime is reduced in darlington by simply not charging them ,MAGIC eveyones a winner .I have seen you in action mr hogg /and you couldn't arrange a small get together in a brewery jane1.r

10:36am Mon 30 Dec 13

Homshaw1 says...

Daza wrote:
Ron Hogg only wants to do the best for the people of Durham and Darlington. He is basically saying here, its cos of MASSIVE budget cuts Too many people having a pop cos they hate the police on here.
Before the year even starts this guy is saying there is going to be a 12% drop in performance. How many employees would have the nerve to say that to their employer?

Also a bit tried of seeing large numbers of police in caravans in the Town Centre handing out leaflets while none are around when there is likely to be trouble.

The whole justice system needs revamping including the police's role in it

There is a difference between hating the police and wanting them to do a better job
[quote][p][bold]Daza[/bold] wrote: Ron Hogg only wants to do the best for the people of Durham and Darlington. He is basically saying here, its cos of MASSIVE budget cuts Too many people having a pop cos they hate the police on here.[/p][/quote]Before the year even starts this guy is saying there is going to be a 12% drop in performance. How many employees would have the nerve to say that to their employer? Also a bit tried of seeing large numbers of police in caravans in the Town Centre handing out leaflets while none are around when there is likely to be trouble. The whole justice system needs revamping including the police's role in it There is a difference between hating the police and wanting them to do a better job Homshaw1

2:41pm Mon 30 Dec 13

sineater says...

The government pushes people into poverty,then people get locked up for trying to survive,give your heads a shake,it's the bankers and tax dodgers that need locking up !! How about politicians and banks and business people doing their jobs properly,instead of grinding poor people into the ground!!
The government pushes people into poverty,then people get locked up for trying to survive,give your heads a shake,it's the bankers and tax dodgers that need locking up !! How about politicians and banks and business people doing their jobs properly,instead of grinding poor people into the ground!! sineater

4:01pm Mon 30 Dec 13

BMD says...

Ron Hogg should hold his head in shame and resign - his position is no longer tenable.

He is failing shopkeepers and working class people by refusing to charge criminals and forgetting that it is the same shopkeepers and working class citizens whom pay his exorbitant salary.
Ron Hogg should hold his head in shame and resign - his position is no longer tenable. He is failing shopkeepers and working class people by refusing to charge criminals and forgetting that it is the same shopkeepers and working class citizens whom pay his exorbitant salary. BMD

4:16pm Mon 30 Dec 13

sineater says...

The people who should resign are the ones pushing these people into poverty,under the pretence of reducing the national debt.It was reckoned the other day,the country will take 400 yrs to get rid of the 1.2 trillion debt,starving people will not speed up the repayments,it's just an excuse to get rid of the welfare state,and leave everyone to fend for themselves,keep your houses well locked up,for instead of pinching food,they will come for your belongins next, iff people are facing starvation,desperate people will do desperate things,no one will go down without a fight.
The people who should resign are the ones pushing these people into poverty,under the pretence of reducing the national debt.It was reckoned the other day,the country will take 400 yrs to get rid of the 1.2 trillion debt,starving people will not speed up the repayments,it's just an excuse to get rid of the welfare state,and leave everyone to fend for themselves,keep your houses well locked up,for instead of pinching food,they will come for your belongins next, iff people are facing starvation,desperate people will do desperate things,no one will go down without a fight. sineater

6:06pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Taxpaying Homeowner says...

sineater wrote:
The government pushes people into poverty,then people get locked up for trying to survive,give your heads a shake,it's the bankers and tax dodgers that need locking up !! How about politicians and banks and business people doing their jobs properly,instead of grinding poor people into the ground!!
So you do think it is an acceptable excuse then??

Just because someone is poor does not give them a defence against theft, it is illegal and they should be prosecuted.

Theft is theft, there is no defence and no excuse. You can try and bend the rules to suit your own view as much as you please but it doesn't wash with the majority of decent people.
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: The government pushes people into poverty,then people get locked up for trying to survive,give your heads a shake,it's the bankers and tax dodgers that need locking up !! How about politicians and banks and business people doing their jobs properly,instead of grinding poor people into the ground!![/p][/quote]So you do think it is an acceptable excuse then?? Just because someone is poor does not give them a defence against theft, it is illegal and they should be prosecuted. Theft is theft, there is no defence and no excuse. You can try and bend the rules to suit your own view as much as you please but it doesn't wash with the majority of decent people. Taxpaying Homeowner

6:23pm Mon 30 Dec 13

sineater says...

As soon as they started cutting benefits and wages I knew this would happen,i am not going to excuse stealing,but I understand it,iff I had young children and there was not enough to eat I would steal ,it's what you call surviving,Play by the rules and you end up dead.MP'S,members of the house of lords ,bankers,police etc,don't play by the rules,why should poor people,they have set the example,poor people are merely following.
As soon as they started cutting benefits and wages I knew this would happen,i am not going to excuse stealing,but I understand it,iff I had young children and there was not enough to eat I would steal ,it's what you call surviving,Play by the rules and you end up dead.MP'S,members of the house of lords ,bankers,police etc,don't play by the rules,why should poor people,they have set the example,poor people are merely following. sineater

6:29pm Mon 30 Dec 13

English lad says...

This is the same guy that said the honest people of darlo shouldn't shake their head in disapprovment at our p1key neighbours illegal activities, the mans a joke!
This is the same guy that said the honest people of darlo shouldn't shake their head in disapprovment at our p1key neighbours illegal activities, the mans a joke! English lad

6:35pm Mon 30 Dec 13

spragger says...

'is an increasing element of crime because people are struggling to make ends meet'
So the PCC is also a social scientist?
Or is he clutching at straws because of his failures & incompetence?
With the high levels of welfare no one needs to struggle, if they live within their means. A simpler analysis may have shown an alternative -- Greed?
'is an increasing element of crime because people are struggling to make ends meet' So the PCC is also a social scientist? Or is he clutching at straws because of his failures & incompetence? With the high levels of welfare no one needs to struggle, if they live within their means. A simpler analysis may have shown an alternative -- Greed? spragger

7:20pm Mon 30 Dec 13

roaduser98 says...

BMD wrote:
Ron Hogg should hold his head in shame and resign - his position is no longer tenable.

He is failing shopkeepers and working class people by refusing to charge criminals and forgetting that it is the same shopkeepers and working class citizens whom pay his exorbitant salary.
Agreed! I cannot see the requirement for this layer of bureaucracy. It will do absolutely nothing to the crime reduction figures which have been shown to be inaccurate anyway.
[quote][p][bold]BMD[/bold] wrote: Ron Hogg should hold his head in shame and resign - his position is no longer tenable. He is failing shopkeepers and working class people by refusing to charge criminals and forgetting that it is the same shopkeepers and working class citizens whom pay his exorbitant salary.[/p][/quote]Agreed! I cannot see the requirement for this layer of bureaucracy. It will do absolutely nothing to the crime reduction figures which have been shown to be inaccurate anyway. roaduser98

7:38pm Mon 30 Dec 13

roaduser98 says...

Daza wrote:
Ron Hogg only wants to do the best for the people of Durham and Darlington. He is basically saying here, its cos of MASSIVE budget cuts

Too many people having a pop cos they hate the police on here.
So what was it like before the cronies got their snouts in the trough? The police budget remains in overspend when other sections of the community are not in the same position of affluence.
[quote][p][bold]Daza[/bold] wrote: Ron Hogg only wants to do the best for the people of Durham and Darlington. He is basically saying here, its cos of MASSIVE budget cuts Too many people having a pop cos they hate the police on here.[/p][/quote]So what was it like before the cronies got their snouts in the trough? The police budget remains in overspend when other sections of the community are not in the same position of affluence. roaduser98

8:20pm Mon 30 Dec 13

sineater says...

How can you live within your means when you havn't got enough to live onthat's the whole point of the article. Iff your kids are going hungry,are you going to stand back and whatch them crying with hunger? The police are not failing in their work,they are catching these people,but realise why they are stealing. They used to hang people in public outside Durham jail for stealing bread,i suppose some of the sick b**t***S on here would like to see those days brought back. high levels of welfare,you thick idiot,pay is being cut,benefits are being cut,or stopped altogether give your head a shake muppet.
How can you live within your means when you havn't got enough to live onthat's the whole point of the article. Iff your kids are going hungry,are you going to stand back and whatch them crying with hunger? The police are not failing in their work,they are catching these people,but realise why they are stealing. They used to hang people in public outside Durham jail for stealing bread,i suppose some of the sick b**t***S on here would like to see those days brought back. high levels of welfare,you thick idiot,pay is being cut,benefits are being cut,or stopped altogether give your head a shake muppet. sineater

9:35pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Taxpaying Homeowner says...

sineater wrote:
How can you live within your means when you havn't got enough to live onthat's the whole point of the article. Iff your kids are going hungry,are you going to stand back and whatch them crying with hunger? The police are not failing in their work,they are catching these people,but realise why they are stealing. They used to hang people in public outside Durham jail for stealing bread,i suppose some of the sick b**t***S on here would like to see those days brought back. high levels of welfare,you thick idiot,pay is being cut,benefits are being cut,or stopped altogether give your head a shake muppet.
Calm down dear, you'll give yourself a Connery as DelBoy would say!!

Benefits are there for people that can't work, for short periods for people that can and pensioners.

No one wants to bring back hanging but theft is theft regardless of the reason, unless you have been robbed or burgled you wouldn't understand the anger and upset this causes.....
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: How can you live within your means when you havn't got enough to live onthat's the whole point of the article. Iff your kids are going hungry,are you going to stand back and whatch them crying with hunger? The police are not failing in their work,they are catching these people,but realise why they are stealing. They used to hang people in public outside Durham jail for stealing bread,i suppose some of the sick b**t***S on here would like to see those days brought back. high levels of welfare,you thick idiot,pay is being cut,benefits are being cut,or stopped altogether give your head a shake muppet.[/p][/quote]Calm down dear, you'll give yourself a Connery as DelBoy would say!! Benefits are there for people that can't work, for short periods for people that can and pensioners. No one wants to bring back hanging but theft is theft regardless of the reason, unless you have been robbed or burgled you wouldn't understand the anger and upset this causes..... Taxpaying Homeowner

10:26pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Homshaw1 says...

Somewhere along the way this situation is becoming unconstitutional.
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The politicians should make the laws. The police should enforce them and the courts should pass judgement and take into account the offenders situation.

Seems to me the police decide what the law should be and decide on the punishment or lack of it leaving the victim to pick up the tab.This isn't justice. What about the victim? Does he have no rights?

As for the level of benefits they are not generous, nor should they be, but if you have children neither are they impossible to live on without stealing unless you are in debt or on drugs or drink. These guy is basically saying it is OK to steal. If he feels the situation is unjust he should be providing feedback to politicians. This is sending out the wrong message
Somewhere along the way this situation is becoming unconstitutional. . The politicians should make the laws. The police should enforce them and the courts should pass judgement and take into account the offenders situation. Seems to me the police decide what the law should be and decide on the punishment or lack of it leaving the victim to pick up the tab.This isn't justice. What about the victim? Does he have no rights? As for the level of benefits they are not generous, nor should they be, but if you have children neither are they impossible to live on without stealing unless you are in debt or on drugs or drink. These guy is basically saying it is OK to steal. If he feels the situation is unjust he should be providing feedback to politicians. This is sending out the wrong message Homshaw1

12:14am Tue 31 Dec 13

DarloXman says...

“if there are mothers stealing food, rather than automatically charging them and putting them through the courts, we will sit down and assess their situation,,,,,,,,,, then they won’t be charged."

Does this not create a no lose situation for the shoplifter - they either get away with the goods or get let off by the police? Will have to send the wife out tomorrow round Morrisons - she can decide what items are on the BOGOF offer!

This is the guy who wants to legalise drugs and now creates a free for all for shoplifters - what a joke!!
“if there are mothers stealing food, rather than automatically charging them and putting them through the courts, we will sit down and assess their situation,,,,,,,,,, then they won’t be charged." Does this not create a no lose situation for the shoplifter - they either get away with the goods or get let off by the police? Will have to send the wife out tomorrow round Morrisons - she can decide what items are on the BOGOF offer! This is the guy who wants to legalise drugs and now creates a free for all for shoplifters - what a joke!! DarloXman

7:40am Tue 31 Dec 13

Jonn says...

When an article appears in the Echo concerning the Banks committing criminal activities amounting to billions where no one gets jailed, no one comments.
When an article appears in the Echo that concerns mothers stealing food to feed their kids, you want them jailed and we get 24 comments.
It's a funny old country.
When an article appears in the Echo concerning the Banks committing criminal activities amounting to billions where no one gets jailed, no one comments. When an article appears in the Echo that concerns mothers stealing food to feed their kids, you want them jailed and we get 24 comments. It's a funny old country. Jonn

8:34am Tue 31 Dec 13

Homshaw1 says...

Jonn wrote:
When an article appears in the Echo concerning the Banks committing criminal activities amounting to billions where no one gets jailed, no one comments.
When an article appears in the Echo that concerns mothers stealing food to feed their kids, you want them jailed and we get 24 comments.
It's a funny old country.
OK The likes of Fred Goodwin and other banker who plunged the country into this unholy mess should be jailed and some should not see the light of day. In some countries they would be executed. . MP's who claimed for Duck houses should lose there jobs and be stripped of all their assets pensions etc. Senior government officials who diddle their expenses should be sacked and jailed.

Nevertheless people who steal should be dealt with by the courts not by police by way of a police warning leaving the victim to suffer the consequences

The big danger with all this is that people will lose confidence in the justice system and start dealing with things themselves. I've just be left with a £200 bill by some yob who will probably be given a police warning and I know the thoughts the situation provokes
[quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: When an article appears in the Echo concerning the Banks committing criminal activities amounting to billions where no one gets jailed, no one comments. When an article appears in the Echo that concerns mothers stealing food to feed their kids, you want them jailed and we get 24 comments. It's a funny old country.[/p][/quote]OK The likes of Fred Goodwin and other banker who plunged the country into this unholy mess should be jailed and some should not see the light of day. In some countries they would be executed. . MP's who claimed for Duck houses should lose there jobs and be stripped of all their assets pensions etc. Senior government officials who diddle their expenses should be sacked and jailed. Nevertheless people who steal should be dealt with by the courts not by police by way of a police warning leaving the victim to suffer the consequences The big danger with all this is that people will lose confidence in the justice system and start dealing with things themselves. I've just be left with a £200 bill by some yob who will probably be given a police warning and I know the thoughts the situation provokes Homshaw1

8:47am Tue 31 Dec 13

BMD says...

Any person on benefit can now steal a car and claim it was to be sold to feed his family. How far is Ron Hogg (whom is aptly named - nose in the trough) going to allow the thieves to get away with?

This policy has opened a Pandora’s box!
Any person on benefit can now steal a car and claim it was to be sold to feed his family. How far is Ron Hogg (whom is aptly named - nose in the trough) going to allow the thieves to get away with? This policy has opened a Pandora’s box! BMD

9:21am Tue 31 Dec 13

Jackaranda says...

sineater wrote:
How can you live within your means when you havn't got enough to live onthat's the whole point of the article. Iff your kids are going hungry,are you going to stand back and whatch them crying with hunger? The police are not failing in their work,they are catching these people,but realise why they are stealing. They used to hang people in public outside Durham jail for stealing bread,i suppose some of the sick b**t***S on here would like to see those days brought back. high levels of welfare,you thick idiot,pay is being cut,benefits are being cut,or stopped altogether give your head a shake muppet.
You want to get yourself to the quacks fella, some industrial strength benzo's should calm you down, and after the New Year you may come back a different person!!

Then again, probably not.
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: How can you live within your means when you havn't got enough to live onthat's the whole point of the article. Iff your kids are going hungry,are you going to stand back and whatch them crying with hunger? The police are not failing in their work,they are catching these people,but realise why they are stealing. They used to hang people in public outside Durham jail for stealing bread,i suppose some of the sick b**t***S on here would like to see those days brought back. high levels of welfare,you thick idiot,pay is being cut,benefits are being cut,or stopped altogether give your head a shake muppet.[/p][/quote]You want to get yourself to the quacks fella, some industrial strength benzo's should calm you down, and after the New Year you may come back a different person!! Then again, probably not. Jackaranda

11:49am Tue 31 Dec 13

sineater says...

DO you rercommend them Jaca,, with all the silly remarks on serious subjects I think you forget to take yours.
DO you rercommend them Jaca,, with all the silly remarks on serious subjects I think you forget to take yours. sineater

11:59am Tue 31 Dec 13

sineater says...

BMD, Ron Hogg did not mention car theft,you are jumping to conclusions. Taking the risk of a criminal conviction,through only stealing a few groceries,is indicating the desperation of some familes,who have less and less money to spend on food because of rising bills.They are doing their best to guide people away from this solution to their money problems,and of course save on the expense of putting more pressure on the legal system.
BMD, Ron Hogg did not mention car theft,you are jumping to conclusions. Taking the risk of a criminal conviction,through only stealing a few groceries,is indicating the desperation of some familes,who have less and less money to spend on food because of rising bills.They are doing their best to guide people away from this solution to their money problems,and of course save on the expense of putting more pressure on the legal system. sineater

12:27pm Tue 31 Dec 13

johnny_p says...

Ooooh look! It's Ron Hogg commenting about something just so we know he's still there and justifying his fat salary. Still, bit of a difficult one this isn't it? On one hand he has to justify "the poor" theiving because as a Labour party councillor he'll do anything to run down the Tories, but on the other hand he would't like to suggest the Police force he represents have lost control of the situation.

Still, I'd like to know if the allegations about him fiddling his expenses have been resolved? That's much more interesting to us common townsfolk who pay your wages.

Do we really need these politically partisan Crime Commissioners being "employed" by the Police Force? Sack him.
Ooooh look! It's Ron Hogg commenting about something just so we know he's still there and justifying his fat salary. Still, bit of a difficult one this isn't it? On one hand he has to justify "the poor" theiving because as a Labour party councillor he'll do anything to run down the Tories, but on the other hand he would't like to suggest the Police force he represents have lost control of the situation. Still, I'd like to know if the allegations about him fiddling his expenses have been resolved? That's much more interesting to us common townsfolk who pay your wages. Do we really need these politically partisan Crime Commissioners being "employed" by the Police Force? Sack him. johnny_p

12:55pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Jonn says...

BMD wrote:
Any person on benefit can now steal a car and claim it was to be sold to feed his family. How far is Ron Hogg (whom is aptly named - nose in the trough) going to allow the thieves to get away with?

This policy has opened a Pandora’s box!
A rather silly conclusion. Mr Hogg does not mention stealing cars or people on benefits. If you are just going to spout rubbish, why bother!
[quote][p][bold]BMD[/bold] wrote: Any person on benefit can now steal a car and claim it was to be sold to feed his family. How far is Ron Hogg (whom is aptly named - nose in the trough) going to allow the thieves to get away with? This policy has opened a Pandora’s box![/p][/quote]A rather silly conclusion. Mr Hogg does not mention stealing cars or people on benefits. If you are just going to spout rubbish, why bother! Jonn

2:21pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Jackaranda says...

Jonn wrote:
BMD wrote:
Any person on benefit can now steal a car and claim it was to be sold to feed his family. How far is Ron Hogg (whom is aptly named - nose in the trough) going to allow the thieves to get away with?

This policy has opened a Pandora’s box!
A rather silly conclusion. Mr Hogg does not mention stealing cars or people on benefits. If you are just going to spout rubbish, why bother!
Jonn man, it's a metaphor. Lighten up will you FGS.
[quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BMD[/bold] wrote: Any person on benefit can now steal a car and claim it was to be sold to feed his family. How far is Ron Hogg (whom is aptly named - nose in the trough) going to allow the thieves to get away with? This policy has opened a Pandora’s box![/p][/quote]A rather silly conclusion. Mr Hogg does not mention stealing cars or people on benefits. If you are just going to spout rubbish, why bother![/p][/quote]Jonn man, it's a metaphor. Lighten up will you FGS. Jackaranda

2:52pm Tue 31 Dec 13

BMD says...

sineater wrote:
BMD, Ron Hogg did not mention car theft,you are jumping to conclusions. Taking the risk of a criminal conviction,through only stealing a few groceries,is indicating the desperation of some familes,who have less and less money to spend on food because of rising bills.They are doing their best to guide people away from this solution to their money problems,and of course save on the expense of putting more pressure on the legal system.
Ron the Hogg also quoted the theft of bicycles and shed burglaries.
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: BMD, Ron Hogg did not mention car theft,you are jumping to conclusions. Taking the risk of a criminal conviction,through only stealing a few groceries,is indicating the desperation of some familes,who have less and less money to spend on food because of rising bills.They are doing their best to guide people away from this solution to their money problems,and of course save on the expense of putting more pressure on the legal system.[/p][/quote]Ron the Hogg also quoted the theft of bicycles and shed burglaries. BMD

3:16pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Homshaw1 says...

I have a friend with a corner shop. He is struggling really badly. He would probably be better off on benefits. He is plagued with shoplifting. You can see them on the camera. People run into the shop steal things and run out.

He calls the police. They really are not bothered. most of the time he doesn't even bother. to ring them.This article confirms that view. Food isn't the only target. Spirits are a prime target.

I was entering the shop one evening a guy was running out with a machete chased by the owner with an iron bar, The cctv camera was no help because he was dressed in a hoddie but as he left the shop the hoddie fell. I told the officer I might be able to identify the guy from photographs and was told they would contact me if they needed to. Last I heard about it.

It's a joke. The victim has no right and no say. The offender has little deterrent.
I have a friend with a corner shop. He is struggling really badly. He would probably be better off on benefits. He is plagued with shoplifting. You can see them on the camera. People run into the shop steal things and run out. He calls the police. They really are not bothered. most of the time he doesn't even bother. to ring them.This article confirms that view. Food isn't the only target. Spirits are a prime target. I was entering the shop one evening a guy was running out with a machete chased by the owner with an iron bar, The cctv camera was no help because he was dressed in a hoddie but as he left the shop the hoddie fell. I told the officer I might be able to identify the guy from photographs and was told they would contact me if they needed to. Last I heard about it. It's a joke. The victim has no right and no say. The offender has little deterrent. Homshaw1

3:50pm Tue 31 Dec 13

David Lacey says...

Me again. Just to say hello and point out to Loopy that he's odds on for yet another ban (calling someone a thick idiot is naughty) if he doesn't moderate his abusive language. Because I'm sure he won't, can we start a bet on his next new identity? After his previous (banned) "loonyleft" persona, perhaps it might be "daftlaboursupporter
" or "barmymiliman".
.
Any offers?
.
Whatever, have a great party tonight. I might stay up late. Nine o'clock perhaps.
Me again. Just to say hello and point out to Loopy that he's odds on for yet another ban (calling someone a thick idiot is naughty) if he doesn't moderate his abusive language. Because I'm sure he won't, can we start a bet on his next new identity? After his previous (banned) "loonyleft" persona, perhaps it might be "daftlaboursupporter " or "barmymiliman". . Any offers? . Whatever, have a great party tonight. I might stay up late. Nine o'clock perhaps. David Lacey

4:10pm Tue 31 Dec 13

behonest says...

Ron Hogg is the Labour PCC for County Durham and has been for all of 2013.

PCC's are elected to maintain an effective and efficient police force in their area, and to produce a police and crime plan which includes policing objectives for their area.

It is about to be announced that crime in this area for 2013 has gone up by 12%. Or, to put it another way, Mr Hogg's first year in office has been a miserable failure.

He is also a Labour politician, and he has clearly been given an opportunity to make excuses in advance for his failure. He better get a grip soon, because local people deserve better than to see huge increases in crime, and the next PCC elections are in May 2016.

So it's less than two and a half years before we can chuck Hogg out and get someone in who is up to the job.
Ron Hogg is the Labour PCC for County Durham and has been for all of 2013. PCC's are elected to maintain an effective and efficient police force in their area, and to produce a police and crime plan which includes policing objectives for their area. It is about to be announced that crime in this area for 2013 has gone up by 12%. Or, to put it another way, Mr Hogg's first year in office has been a miserable failure. He is also a Labour politician, and he has clearly been given an opportunity to make excuses in advance for his failure. He better get a grip soon, because local people deserve better than to see huge increases in crime, and the next PCC elections are in May 2016. So it's less than two and a half years before we can chuck Hogg out and get someone in who is up to the job. behonest

5:29pm Tue 31 Dec 13

David Lacey says...

The new Labour government will scrap the PCCs. The only thing they will get right.
The new Labour government will scrap the PCCs. The only thing they will get right. David Lacey

5:40pm Tue 31 Dec 13

behonest says...

David Lacey wrote:
The new Labour government will scrap the PCCs. The only thing they will get right.
You may be right, but it's not certain. Consider this (from The New Statesman) recently:

"If Labour was to change the model of police governance again, emergency legislation would be needed by a new government upon taking office in order to cancel the next set of PCC elections in May 2016. Scrapping PCCs would not only need to be the first priority for Ed Miliband, it would also extinguish the progress made by a number of influential former Labour ministers who are thriving as PCCs of large police forces in the north and the midlands. For both of these reasons, the smart money is on PCCs remaining in place..."

If ex-Labour ministers are thriving in these jobs for the boys....can you see Labour getting rid, as a priority?

Either way, I just hope we're not condemned to 12% increases in crime each year, under Labour's Hogg, until the jobs are scrapped.
[quote][p][bold]David Lacey[/bold] wrote: The new Labour government will scrap the PCCs. The only thing they will get right.[/p][/quote]You may be right, but it's not certain. Consider this (from The New Statesman) recently: "If Labour was to change the model of police governance again, emergency legislation would be needed by a new government upon taking office in order to cancel the next set of PCC elections in May 2016. Scrapping PCCs would not only need to be the first priority for Ed Miliband, it would also extinguish the progress made by a number of influential former Labour ministers who are thriving as PCCs of large police forces in the north and the midlands. For both of these reasons, the smart money is on PCCs remaining in place..." If ex-Labour ministers are thriving in these jobs for the boys....can you see Labour getting rid, as a priority? Either way, I just hope we're not condemned to 12% increases in crime each year, under Labour's Hogg, until the jobs are scrapped. behonest

5:51pm Tue 31 Dec 13

bishop1 says...

so does this mean that the police will effectively be means testing shop lifters to decide if they are to be charged ??
how on earth does that work ?
so does this mean that the police will effectively be means testing shop lifters to decide if they are to be charged ?? how on earth does that work ? bishop1

6:03pm Tue 31 Dec 13

behonest says...

bishop1 wrote:
so does this mean that the police will effectively be means testing shop lifters to decide if they are to be charged ??
how on earth does that work ?
Good point. And what about means testing victims? If you can afford to have your bike stolen, then it's just a caution. But if the victim is poor, perhaps charges will be brought?

A re-election slogan - 'British Justice by Hogg - it's only for chavs'
[quote][p][bold]bishop1[/bold] wrote: so does this mean that the police will effectively be means testing shop lifters to decide if they are to be charged ?? how on earth does that work ?[/p][/quote]Good point. And what about means testing victims? If you can afford to have your bike stolen, then it's just a caution. But if the victim is poor, perhaps charges will be brought? A re-election slogan - 'British Justice by Hogg - it's only for chavs' behonest

6:23pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Jackaranda says...

David Lacey wrote:
Me again. Just to say hello and point out to Loopy that he's odds on for yet another ban (calling someone a thick idiot is naughty) if he doesn't moderate his abusive language. Because I'm sure he won't, can we start a bet on his next new identity? After his previous (banned) "loonyleft" persona, perhaps it might be "daftlaboursupporter

" or "barmymiliman".
.
Any offers?
.
Whatever, have a great party tonight. I might stay up late. Nine o'clock perhaps.
"benzodiazepineeater
"
[quote][p][bold]David Lacey[/bold] wrote: Me again. Just to say hello and point out to Loopy that he's odds on for yet another ban (calling someone a thick idiot is naughty) if he doesn't moderate his abusive language. Because I'm sure he won't, can we start a bet on his next new identity? After his previous (banned) "loonyleft" persona, perhaps it might be "daftlaboursupporter " or "barmymiliman". . Any offers? . Whatever, have a great party tonight. I might stay up late. Nine o'clock perhaps.[/p][/quote]"benzodiazepineeater " Jackaranda

7:29pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Daza says...

T
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7:33pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Daza says...

So, people on here think R. Hogg Aint up to the job?

Durham is going from just under 1800 officers to just under 1200 officers, all since 2010!

What do people on here honestly expect?

You only get less, for less!

Impossible to have Police all over the place now

Impossible for anyone else to do better than Hogg!

Get used to it people.
So, people on here think R. Hogg Aint up to the job? Durham is going from just under 1800 officers to just under 1200 officers, all since 2010! What do people on here honestly expect? You only get less, for less! Impossible to have Police all over the place now Impossible for anyone else to do better than Hogg! Get used to it people. Daza

8:41pm Tue 31 Dec 13

behonest says...

"Durham is going from just under 1800 officers to just under 1200 officers, all since 2010!" I suspect this is rubbish - but care to name your source?

Durham police officer strength in 2010 was 1,486 and in 2013 was 1,338. PCSO numbers over the same period hardly changed, 175 to 171. Source is Home Office (from HMIC), provided to the House of Commons, as at 31 March 2013.
"Durham is going from just under 1800 officers to just under 1200 officers, all since 2010!" I suspect this is rubbish - but care to name your source? Durham police officer strength in 2010 was 1,486 and in 2013 was 1,338. PCSO numbers over the same period hardly changed, 175 to 171. Source is Home Office (from HMIC), provided to the House of Commons, as at 31 March 2013. behonest

8:52pm Tue 31 Dec 13

sineater says...

David , Your user name could be lying tory supporter, twisted pension loser, watch out for trouble tonight,'cos it's no use trying to call the police is it,after trying to grass up a copper-keep safe. Glad i'm getting at you and Mr" i'm only joking" Jacaranda ha-ha .
David , Your user name could be lying tory supporter, twisted pension loser, watch out for trouble tonight,'cos it's no use trying to call the police is it,after trying to grass up a copper-keep safe. Glad i'm getting at you and Mr" i'm only joking" Jacaranda ha-ha . sineater

10:48am Wed 1 Jan 14

David Lacey says...

I see you've ended the year on a comedy high Loopy. Please keep it coming in 2014.
I see you've ended the year on a comedy high Loopy. Please keep it coming in 2014. David Lacey

1:19pm Wed 1 Jan 14

settheworldonfire says...

Homshaw1 wrote:
Shoplifters given advice but not charged, vandals let off with warnings leaving the victims to pick up the bill, drug users to be given drugs.

He accepts there is going to be a 12% increase in crime.

This guy is a waste of time
Ron Hogg oxygen thief....
We have reported a family drug dealers at 35 laurel gardens Crook for 6 months now and nothing ever done...We are old and are terrified of what goes on...They have sons who are not working but fly around on motorbikes delivering their drugs...The amount of cars stopping there is unbelievable..Why does Ron Hogg or the police not do anything about this....BECAUSE THEY DO NOT CARE.....
[quote][p][bold]Homshaw1[/bold] wrote: Shoplifters given advice but not charged, vandals let off with warnings leaving the victims to pick up the bill, drug users to be given drugs. He accepts there is going to be a 12% increase in crime. This guy is a waste of time[/p][/quote]Ron Hogg oxygen thief.... We have reported a family drug dealers at 35 laurel gardens Crook for 6 months now and nothing ever done...We are old and are terrified of what goes on...They have sons who are not working but fly around on motorbikes delivering their drugs...The amount of cars stopping there is unbelievable..Why does Ron Hogg or the police not do anything about this....BECAUSE THEY DO NOT CARE..... settheworldonfire

8:41am Thu 2 Jan 14

Homshaw1 says...

Daza wrote:
So, people on here think R. Hogg Aint up to the job?

Durham is going from just under 1800 officers to just under 1200 officers, all since 2010!

What do people on here honestly expect?

You only get less, for less!

Impossible to have Police all over the place now

Impossible for anyone else to do better than Hogg!

Get used to it people.
So why are there always loads of police available for PACT PR exercises in Darlington Town Centre?

I think he has his priorities wrong?
[quote][p][bold]Daza[/bold] wrote: So, people on here think R. Hogg Aint up to the job? Durham is going from just under 1800 officers to just under 1200 officers, all since 2010! What do people on here honestly expect? You only get less, for less! Impossible to have Police all over the place now Impossible for anyone else to do better than Hogg! Get used to it people.[/p][/quote]So why are there always loads of police available for PACT PR exercises in Darlington Town Centre? I think he has his priorities wrong? Homshaw1

8:34pm Thu 2 Jan 14

gavshaw62 says...

a shoplifter is a criminal and the law should come down hard instead of being lenient with these crooks. people on here seem to forget that some people who own these shops will soon go out of business if shoplifters are not dealt with and along with that people will end up losing their jobs putting more people on the dole. shoplifting is a crime like burglary and should be dealt with harshly.
a shoplifter is a criminal and the law should come down hard instead of being lenient with these crooks. people on here seem to forget that some people who own these shops will soon go out of business if shoplifters are not dealt with and along with that people will end up losing their jobs putting more people on the dole. shoplifting is a crime like burglary and should be dealt with harshly. gavshaw62

9:33pm Thu 2 Jan 14

sineater says...

SO where will you put all these shoplifters,putting people in a cell for nicking some groceries,a good use of resources?the trouble is it's easy to tell people in charge what to do,they have to live in the real world. You give someone a criminal record making it harder to get a job,so making the employment problem worse,after people are pushed into crime because of government cuts .
SO where will you put all these shoplifters,putting people in a cell for nicking some groceries,a good use of resources?the trouble is it's easy to tell people in charge what to do,they have to live in the real world. You give someone a criminal record making it harder to get a job,so making the employment problem worse,after people are pushed into crime because of government cuts . sineater

9:21am Fri 3 Jan 14

gavshaw62 says...

sinneater wrote: SO where will you put all these shoplifters,putting people in a cell for nicking some groceries,a good use of resources?the trouble is it's easy to tell people in charge what to do,they have to live in the real world. You give someone a criminal record making it harder to get a job,so making the employment problem worse,after people are pushed into crime because of government cuts

well mate I wonder if you will open your door to these people and let them walk in and take whatever they like. reading some of your posts over the years on here I thought you had some sense but your post on this one sinneater shows you have none. a crime is a crime so we just let people off with shoplifting then eventually everyone will just walk into a store and take whatever they want as they know they will get away with it. how long do you think stores will survive not very long. I will give you an example we had a young lady walk in to the store where I work and walked out with nearly £1000 of razors in a bag she had altered so the items could not be detected by the alarms when caught later with what she had left she was took to court and fined £200 not a bad deterrent that is sinneater its people like you who always look to the government or the police to blame well maybe your right as to me the police and government are too lenient on crime. as for them having a criminal record and stopping them from getting employment the majority of shoplifters have no intention of working and see crime as a way of life.
sinneater wrote: SO where will you put all these shoplifters,putting people in a cell for nicking some groceries,a good use of resources?the trouble is it's easy to tell people in charge what to do,they have to live in the real world. You give someone a criminal record making it harder to get a job,so making the employment problem worse,after people are pushed into crime because of government cuts well mate I wonder if you will open your door to these people and let them walk in and take whatever they like. reading some of your posts over the years on here I thought you had some sense but your post on this one sinneater shows you have none. a crime is a crime so we just let people off with shoplifting then eventually everyone will just walk into a store and take whatever they want as they know they will get away with it. how long do you think stores will survive not very long. I will give you an example we had a young lady walk in to the store where I work and walked out with nearly £1000 of razors in a bag she had altered so the items could not be detected by the alarms when caught later with what she had left she was took to court and fined £200 not a bad deterrent that is sinneater its people like you who always look to the government or the police to blame well maybe your right as to me the police and government are too lenient on crime. as for them having a criminal record and stopping them from getting employment the majority of shoplifters have no intention of working and see crime as a way of life. gavshaw62

1:56pm Fri 3 Jan 14

sineater says...

Gavshaw , I stated that I know it is a crime,but I understand the position people are finding them selves in,that is what Ron Hogg is on about. They are not "letting them of " end of. They are working with these people to try and help them to improve their circumstances so they will not have to resort to petty theft again. The police do not just lock up people with out putting some thought into what is happening,and in this case they have seen a trend developing,and are trying to steer people who have not been involved with crime before,to try and stop them wrecking their future prospects. Waiting for crimes to occur,and not mounting this sort of campaign to try and reduce crime ,would not be vey pro-active,much better to try and deal with the social problems that are forcing these offenders to commit crimes and help find other solutions for them.
Gavshaw , I stated that I know it is a crime,but I understand the position people are finding them selves in,that is what Ron Hogg is on about. They are not "letting them of " end of. They are working with these people to try and help them to improve their circumstances so they will not have to resort to petty theft again. The police do not just lock up people with out putting some thought into what is happening,and in this case they have seen a trend developing,and are trying to steer people who have not been involved with crime before,to try and stop them wrecking their future prospects. Waiting for crimes to occur,and not mounting this sort of campaign to try and reduce crime ,would not be vey pro-active,much better to try and deal with the social problems that are forcing these offenders to commit crimes and help find other solutions for them. sineater

2:43pm Fri 3 Jan 14

gavshaw62 says...

sinneater wrote I stated that I know it is a crime,but I understand the position people are finding them selves in,that is what Ron Hogg is on about. They are not "letting them of " end of. They are working with these people to try and help them to improve their circumstances so they will not have to resort to petty theft again. The police do not just lock up people with out putting some thought into what is happening,and in this case they have seen a trend developing,and are trying to steer people who have not been involved with crime before,to try and stop them wrecking their future prospects. Waiting for crimes to occur,and not mounting this sort of campaign to try and reduce crime ,would not be vey pro-active,much better to try and deal with the social problems that are forcing these offenders to commit crimes and help find other solutions for them.

I couldn't agree anymore with this post sinneater but your first response didn't seem to come over the same. the majority of shoplifters we have issues with in our store are repeat offenders but in the end it doesn't matter how hard up you are turning to crime will only lead to peoples downfalls.
sinneater wrote I stated that I know it is a crime,but I understand the position people are finding them selves in,that is what Ron Hogg is on about. They are not "letting them of " end of. They are working with these people to try and help them to improve their circumstances so they will not have to resort to petty theft again. The police do not just lock up people with out putting some thought into what is happening,and in this case they have seen a trend developing,and are trying to steer people who have not been involved with crime before,to try and stop them wrecking their future prospects. Waiting for crimes to occur,and not mounting this sort of campaign to try and reduce crime ,would not be vey pro-active,much better to try and deal with the social problems that are forcing these offenders to commit crimes and help find other solutions for them. I couldn't agree anymore with this post sinneater but your first response didn't seem to come over the same. the majority of shoplifters we have issues with in our store are repeat offenders but in the end it doesn't matter how hard up you are turning to crime will only lead to peoples downfalls. gavshaw62

2:55pm Fri 3 Jan 14

Taxpaying Homeowner says...

sineater wrote:
SO where will you put all these shoplifters,putting people in a cell for nicking some groceries,a good use of resources?the trouble is it's easy to tell people in charge what to do,they have to live in the real world. You give someone a criminal record making it harder to get a job,so making the employment problem worse,after people are pushed into crime because of government cuts .
You are unbelievable sometimes loopy. You twist your morals whichever way the wind blows to suit your own political ideals.

Let me tell you that Ron Hogg is providing an alternative form of defence for people that will break the law and steal other peoples belongings for their own purpose.

I don't go out to work my nuts off in order for a bike that I buy for my kids to be nicked from my own property by some worthless, cheating scumbag.

This not just about nicking a few potatoes from a national supermarket. This is extended to people stealing booze from small shops and stealing peoples possessions from personal property. These people should be dealt with by the courts. As an employer and someone that has been burgled before I would NEVER employ someone with a recent record. Trust is earned.

I pay tax, you pay tax. Why should someone feel that they should 'tax' us further by stealing??

Please don't dodge the question by blaming the benefits policy set out by this government, just answer the question above. You support this therefore you have a reason, please explain it.
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: SO where will you put all these shoplifters,putting people in a cell for nicking some groceries,a good use of resources?the trouble is it's easy to tell people in charge what to do,they have to live in the real world. You give someone a criminal record making it harder to get a job,so making the employment problem worse,after people are pushed into crime because of government cuts .[/p][/quote]You are unbelievable sometimes loopy. You twist your morals whichever way the wind blows to suit your own political ideals. Let me tell you that Ron Hogg is providing an alternative form of defence for people that will break the law and steal other peoples belongings for their own purpose. I don't go out to work my nuts off in order for a bike that I buy for my kids to be nicked from my own property by some worthless, cheating scumbag. This not just about nicking a few potatoes from a national supermarket. This is extended to people stealing booze from small shops and stealing peoples possessions from personal property. These people should be dealt with by the courts. As an employer and someone that has been burgled before I would NEVER employ someone with a recent record. Trust is earned. I pay tax, you pay tax. Why should someone feel that they should 'tax' us further by stealing?? Please don't dodge the question by blaming the benefits policy set out by this government, just answer the question above. You support this therefore you have a reason, please explain it. Taxpaying Homeowner

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